comics for May 12, 2008 – 05/12/2008
Wow. A religious nerd. WAY too few of us around…
Faith- synonym to trust.
And I agree! Amen brothers!
Finally! People who agree with me that science and religion can co-exist!
Hey, who said anything about religion here? Not that I think religion can’t coexist with science.
Dan mentions faith in humanity, that we will finally understand the universe.
Brother Alwyn: Faith sustains us in the hour when reason tells us that we cannot continue, that the whole of our lives is without meaning.
Brother Michael: Then why were we born able to reason, if reason’s useless?
Brother Alwyn: Not useless. But it’s also not enough. Faith and reason are the shoes on your feet! You can travel further with both than you can with just one.
Babylon 5 for the win.
Nice, two clever quotes about faith, religion, and science for my file. I’m enjoying the DC writing a lot.
_Contact_ hit on the same theme, yes?
@Michal Z — well, science is organized by people, with their own hierarchies and authorities, yes? Schools are our churches, and universities our cathedrals (a fitting metaphor, since monasteries historically led to universities).
We individually don’t have the time or intellect to test *everything* we’re told in science journals, so even aside from the big universe/faith question, we have to take it on faith / indirect evidence that these people are right. If 7-Up is the uncola, I guess we’re the un-religion.
Darwin and various of the Greeks could be seen as the patron saints, for exhorting us to test our theories in a thorough and rigorous fashion. The position of non-god is up for grabs, but my money’s on the Grand Unification Theory. Here’s a new wrinkle on that old bag of dusty words:
Oh, the second quote was Benneducci’s B5 quote. Thanks!
The difference is that with science you -choose- to take things that you’re told by professional scientists “on faith”, but if you wanted to (and wanted to commit the resources to) every experiment in science can be reproduced and the same result achieved.
However with religion you -have- to take everything you’re told on faith, because blind faith is your only option. In point of fact, were you ever to actually try to empirically test religion, it would no longer be a test of faith but a test of science/fact.
The very nature of faith is to believe something despite a total absence of evidence for it. If any hard, confirmable evidence for something exists–whether or not you generated the evidence yourself–then it is no longer a question of faith, but rather a question of scientific theory.
Well, according to the Bible:
“Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.” (Hebrews 11:1).
In other words: it is using what you already know to be true, what you have evidence for, and accepting that furthur proof will come to light in the fullness of time.
There is not, nor has there ever been, any conflict between real science and true religion; only conflicts between one personal opinion and another.
Anyone who thinks that science will eventually solve “all the mysteries of the universe” doesn’t understand science. Kurt Godel proved there are questions that science can’t answer back in 1931.
Hey, there are too plenty of religious nerds around. Where’d you think my handle came from? And there are interesting correspondences between academia and monastic life, including Lectio Divina. Currently, by my calculations, Lectio has been reduced to two: Lectio (classes) and Meditatio (B.S. sessions).
Wow…. I dont know what just got heavier Dan or the Comments Section.
This is awesome reasoning that should be distributed everywhere. What a great speech!
Oh, Science requires a lot of faith… but that doesn’t mean it’s not valid.
this is a bit deep for me…
In order to do science you first must have hope. You cannot have hope without fait though. Religion however is no more a synonum to faith than McDonalds to food (and other large multinational corporations to their products).
You kind of need faith in order to get the money you need to obtain proof.
I personally consider myself a scientifically-minded, spiritual geek, distinctly not religious, as I tend to categorize religious with organized and institutionalized- conforming to a standard despite the fact individuals have their own opinions.
I find it unfortunate that this kind of reason hasn’t applied itself to the political scene, but then again, it wouldn’t be politics. XD
…i hate christians.
I hate yogurt.
Even with strawberries.
My name is Micheal J. Caboose, and I hate babies!
Why do I have the feeling that Daniel was in my Christian Perspectives class last year and I just didn’t see him?
Way to go. Faith and reason coexistence for the win!
Because he sat right behind you.
Oh, Nicole. Haven’t you ever heard of the multiverse theory?
What was that about Darwin a few comments back?
If it’s about the Darwin who created the Evolution theory, well, it was proven wrong. (Now they have an even MORE whacked-up theory that Humanity evolved in great leaps instead of over time. That’s the equivalent of a frog laying a bird egg. Not. Going. To. Happen.
PS: Would you believe my browser (KDE Konqueror) didn’t have “proven” as an actual word?
Please enlighten me…how exactly was evolution proven wrong? I’d think natural selection, selection pressure, and success in passing on favorable traits was evident both in observations and the fossil record. Also I thought Darwin was responsible for the natural selection theory rather than evolution.
No, evolutionists do NOT believe that frogs ever laid bird eggs. Try researching what the theory actually says before you pooh-pooh it. Oh, and of course Darwin’s original form of the theory has been modified over time, just as with Newton’s theory of gravity. Doesn’t stop it being a fact that apples still fall off trees.
Ahm, no, a scientist does not have to have faith that all the mysteries of the universe can be solved. The only assumptions a scientist should make are 1) there is an objective reality 2) our senses can give us some kind of information about that reality. And those assumptions are mainly for convenience.
Why is everyone assimilating faith to religion. They are not talking of religion at all in the comic, I think it has a more general meaning.
This is what science is all about. Exploration. When you say that there’s nothing left to explore just because science can’t prove it, you’re saying science has failed. The correct response is, “I might not live to see it, but perhaps something I do will lead to a major discovery later”.
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